1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

can someone tell me how much higher than other years the premiums should be on these years? Again 1986, 1987 and 1996...as always thanks for your input and sarcasm as well......

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I think racoon had a thread out here where he put the population numbers out. I am not good at finding old threads.


T

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

1996 should only be the real premium year. The others should be the same. Some sites will try to rip you though

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I am starting to see that....j-son sent that link and it shows 1987 had a high mintage...actually the highest through 2003 if I am reading it correctly....makes me think i am being snowed....That's why GIM such a valuable tool....I would have probably pulled the trigger because of the story...not tha facts..Thanks guys!

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

That chart only goes through 2003..is there a continuation chart through 2008? just wondering.

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Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><br>
Mintage estimates below are from the U.S. Mint and coin
publications.&nbsp; Some coins that may have
been sold the year after they were minted.</p>
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<td width="189" colspan="2"><center>


<tr>

<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>Year</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1 Ounce</b></p>
</center></td>
</tr>
<tr>

<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1986</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>5,393,000</b></div>
</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1987</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>11,442,350</b></div>
</td>

</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1988</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>5,004,650</b></div>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1989</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">

<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>5,203,320</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1990</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">

<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>5,840,200</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1991</b></p>
</center></td>

<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>7,191,000</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1992</b></p>

</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>5,540,060</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>

<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1993</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>6,783,750</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>

<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1994</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>4,227,300</b></div>
</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1995</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>4,672,050</b></div>
</td>

</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1996</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>3,603,375</b></div>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1997</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">

<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>4,295,000</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1998</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">

<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>4,847,550</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>1999</b></p>
</center></td>

<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>7,483,000</b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>2000</b></p>

</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>
<font color="#000000">9,233,000</font></b></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>

<td width="69"><center>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>2001</b></p>
</center></td>
<td width="120">
<div align="right">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>9,001,700</b></div>
</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="69">
<p align="center" style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0"><b>
2002</b></td>
<td width="120">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0" align="right"><b>
10,540,000*</b></td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td width="69" align="center">
<b>2003</b></td>
<td width="120" align="center">
<p align="right">
<b>8,495,008*</b></td>
</tr>
<tr>

<td width="69" align="center">
<b>
2004</b></td>
<td width="120" align="right">
<b>8,882,760*</b></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69" align="center">

<b>
2005</b></td>
<td width="120" align="right">
<b>8,892,000</b>?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69" align="center">

<b>2006</b></td>
<td width="120" align="right">
8,000,000?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="69" align="center">
2007</td>

<td width="120" align="right">
?</td>
</tr>
</table>
</center>
<p style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">
*- estimate</p>
<p style="line-height: 100%; word-spacing: 0; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

great info thanks again...

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

1234567890

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

apmex sells spotted 96s for low markup if you're lookin to fill a hole on the cheap

silver eagles
 

Exactly right...

The entire grading, slabbing and "certifying" things like First Strikes and such is BS of the highest order.

These coins are bullion, were conceived as bullion, always have been bullion and when the price rises, will homengenize all together as bullion.

When the melt bucket calls for COMEX bars and silver is at $50-$100 per ounce, many 1996's will go in there right along with BU 90% silver and right next to Grannies sterling silverware. Everything equalizes when the price goes up. It happened in 1980.

A post someone once made about slabbing of these coins on the PCGS forum sticks with me. It went something like this....

"..First we bought the coin, then we bought the slab, now we buy the paper in the slab...How far we have fallen.."

Truer words have not been spoken.

Re: silver eagles
 

So you think it's best to buy generic silver as close or behind spot so we're not caught holding a premium so we don't lose are butts when the SHTF?

Or am I missing your point....?

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I would pay a bit more for bullions slabbed by NGC/PCGS, because these would be easier to sell if gold is at significantly higher prices in the future. In fact, most of my gold "collection" are slabbed. I basically consider that as a premium for authentication.

Re: silver eagles
 

You are missing my point.

ASE's are BULLION. The mint and PCGS/NGC and others have turned them into "collectible" numismatic coins which they are not and never will be.

I think they are a fine coin and a great way to invest in bullion silver. I also think they may always have a slight premium over a generic round because of guarantee of assay/fineness and weight plus it is a coin.

My suggestion would be to simply never buy into the hype of slabbing a bullion coin.

Re: silver eagles
 

+1

If you want something rare go with proof sets.......

also NEVER GET A COIN GRADED ......YOU NEVER GET THE PREMIUM BACK. If you want a slabbed coin buy it off a sucker who belived the guys on coinvault who told them "first strike and early realese" mean something

Bottom line rare coins are proofs...... anything else is BULLION.

T

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

1234567890

Re: silver eagles
 

Why, will they never be numismatic?
Do you mean they'll never be numismatic in our life time? Won't they be a collectors item in, say 200 years?
I don't know why, but I worry about things that will be here long after me,.... weird.

Re: silver eagles
 

Stop it......... you cant control what happens after you are gone...... you can barley control what you do today.

All you can do is educate your progeny as to the merits of PM's and thats it.


T

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

But I see Bright Uncirculated 100 year + old coins, that some dead guy put up, and took care of, till he died. Or they just sat in some old dusty bank vault.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

Funny - I see 1996 silver eagles which some LIVE guy took care of and are worth quite a bit more than $17.50 as of this weekend.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

That is why it is crucial YOU INSTRUCT YOUR PROGENY FROM EARLY TO THE MERITS AND HISTORY OF PM WHY IT IS THEY ARE VALUBLE

Dont be like some old geezer that was so dam tight fisted he never told anybody.Only to have just what you talked about happen to the horde.

PLAN ALL THE WAY TO THE END


You should be grooming your progeny from the time they can walk. Or as soon as YOU understand the implications of educating your heirs.


T

Re: silver eagles
 

One thing that most folks don't really think about when they purchase these Eagles is that these are not coins in the sense of numismatic coins that were either circulated or representative of identical coins that did circulate.

ASE's were never meant to circulate and none have any wear which means they are all essentially brand new coins.

99.99999% of them are MS65+ which is what they will be until the end of time, (unless TSHTF and we start using them as actual coins).

Re: silver eagles
 

You make a good point - but I am not so sure its all accurate.........

Totally true!!!

I see thousands of ASE that come out of tubes - and very few are MS65.........over the years people handle them, and they get dinged a hundred different ways...........

If you found a tube of 1996 eagles, if unopened, then you would be right..........but not 99.99999% have been unhandled.............nothing like that..............

Even today - not everyone buying 2008 eagles knows not to - or know - to handle coins...........

So your basic premise is correct - but WAY over aggerated!

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

i just got a 96 ngc ms 69.

whats the premium if you are selling to a dealer? they are going for around 100 on ebay but what if you sell to a dealer.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

The 96 alone is probably around $80.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

APMEX sells 'em for $70, $60 if you'll take a full tube.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

looks like somebody got a good deal here.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180250831749

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

but his is NGC MS69

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I'm curious to see what a dealer will offer. I've got 20 PCGS MS69's I'd LOVE to unload.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

$90 each according to ebay.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I don't think ebay is a "dealer".

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

mine would have been a 79 but for this little nick across her neck. its plain as day. If somebody tried to sell it to me I'd rate it a 68 since its so obvious. If I were a buyer I would call it a gash, if I were a seller I would call it a nick.

Its the key, anyways. None of the other ones are really worth much if any premium if you ask me. Its odd to me the notion of people collecting bullion, but the market is what it is.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

2007 - 9.03 million
2008 - 10.07 million
(according to the recent notices from the mint regarding the rationing of '08 eagles)

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

If you were REALLY smart - you'd call it a beauty mark or hickey!!! :D

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

And wait till the panic buying kicks in later this year........ with six months left 08 will dwarft any and all records.

Couple that with the fact that at some point the mint has to stop making 08's so it can start next years fabrications The squeeze will be unprecedented and people will pay through the nose just to have ' THE CANT HAVE ITEM'.



The pefect storm I tell you ....the perfect storm

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

alot of people are saying 2008 will be commanding a premium? how is that possible when its outpacing record production by 100%? id think 2008 premiums should be lower.

also those reverse 2007 2008 errors from west point, can they come in a regular monster box? theres been debate on this but no one finalized an answer with any authority. im wondering if i should open my west point monster box

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I was under the impression the "Monster Box" ASE's are minted in Philly,they have no MM, Only the Uncirculated SAE's with a "W' mint mark were error coins

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

SAE, GAE's are minted at West Point NY.


T

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

the 2008 with the 2007 reverse thingy is really the worst case of tulips ive ever seen

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

[I was under the impression the "Monster Box" ASE's are minted in Philly,they have no MM, Only the Uncirculated SAE's with a "W' mint mark were error coins]

i dont know. i am just reporting facts - have a "west point" monster box. opened it. no 'W' mark. grrrrr.

i listened to a bunch of misinformed bozos here and on ebay. but the problem is no one had any information (until now).

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

I must agree......


It is only 3 subtle diffrences but people are "chomping at the bit" to get in on the action.


They only people that made money where the folks who sold to the suckers based on "originality"....... the buyers of such coins will NEVER get the premium they paid back.

EVER.


No way in hell I am paying 500 dollars for a bullion coin. when I can get a roll of 20 for less.

A fool and their money will soon part ways.


T

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

If I ever buy a Monster Box, I'll have it opened before the UPS guy gets out of the drive way.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

yeah, the prices dont have root in reality. one can get 3 2007 kiwi one ounce proof bullion pieces for that amount, and the kiwis have a mintage of just 1301, just to put it in perspective, still its an insane amount to spend on bullion pieces, but if those madmen directed their frenzy at the kiwis instead...

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

The SAE is the flagship coin in the US..... NOTHING WILL OUTSELL A EAGLE DOMESTICALLY NOTHING.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

this is from a walk-in to a reputable regional dealer. ive done business a few times w/ him.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

LOL...My impression was Right...

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

sorry but as long as people collect coins - anything minted by a government mint is collectable.

It isn't the goverment that makes them have numismatic value - it is the collectors.

I don't think that these should even be called bullion - I am not sure who is stating they ARE bullion - but as far as I know the nobody calls them bullion except those wanting them to BE bullion.

Bullion = bars and rounds not SAE's or GAE's.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

Meh I might be wrong - it looks like the mint calls them both bullion investment coins and collectables.

I don't think of them as traditional "bullion" due to the collectable aspect - not sure how they can use both terms.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

Could be wrong, it was explained to me one time that Bullion is Pure (or close to it) VS say a coin with a more than nominal mixture....like 90% silver coins or various Karat Au jewelry(10K, 14K...etc)

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

why does a monster box minted at west point not contain a 'W' on the back of the coin?

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

The W is reserved for "numismatic" issues. Marketing. :wink:

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

The W is on reserved for proofs or limited runs.


They will not do it for regular "bullion"



T

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

Both the US Mint and the Act creating the Eagle coin program call these "bullion coins". Notice the bold part I highlighted, the statement is from the US Mint's webpage. Clearly the Mint does not expect anyone to treat these as anything other than bullion, but they can't prevent fools from doing so.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

Since when do we start trusting the gov mint's statements? Anyway, the market is what it is. Some year's SAE are worth more just as some types of bullions (kooks, pandas..) are worth more than SAE. I am not saying that we should or should not pay more premium for some bullion coins. Demand and supply for these bullions determine what you need to pay, not the metal content itself.

Re: 1986, 1987 and 1996 silver eagles
 

would anyone recommending buying roll(s) of 96 for 950$ (for roll completion and set completion).

or do people feel that (and also 96 individual coins) is a waste of money/time